Spamming, Ghosting, whatchmacallit.

[Unspam]

I have noticed a lot of dodgy goings on amongst our competitors, namely
hiding text with huge amounts of keywords (text and background same colour).
We also have a lot of relevant words but they are not hidden. I think this
may be frowned upon by the search engines so I am thinking about turning my
back on "our thing" and going into the witness protection program and
ratting on my goodfellas, but I suspect they will not be penalised and will
still sit at the top of the results. Who says crime doesn't pay. Take a look
and see if you can find the hidden text.

<http://www.studioimages.co.uk/index333.html>

Merry Christmas.

[C.W.]

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:35:24 GMT, Unspam <unspam@mail.com> wrote:

>I have noticed a lot of dodgy goings on amongst our competitors, namely
>hiding text with huge amounts of keywords (text and background same colour).
>We also have a lot of relevant words but they are not hidden. I think this
>may be frowned upon by the search engines so I am thinking about turning my
>back on "our thing" and going into the witness protection program and
>ratting on my goodfellas, but I suspect they will not be penalised and will
>still sit at the top of the results. Who says crime doesn't pay. Take a look
>and see if you can find the hidden text.
>
><http://www.studioimages.co.uk/index333.html>

Good lord, could you make that page *long* enough?

And I am not talking about the 4 to 5 inches gap at the bottom of it
... You know, where the badly hardly-hidden pointless
text of " wedding photographers london wedding photographers essex
wedding photographers kent wedding photographers surrey berkshire
buckinghamshire wedding photography london wedding photography bristol
wedding photography yorkshire west midlands
Related keywords: Pictures of wedding dresses, wedding dress pictures,
pictures of wedding gowns, wedding gown pictures, bridal gowns, bridal
dresses, pictures of bridal dresses, wedding tiaras, winter wedding
dresses, informal wedding dresses, vera wang wedding dresses,
bridesmaids dresses, bridesmaid dresses, flower girl dresses,
bridesmaid shoes, bridesmaids shoes, mother of the bride dresses,
headdresses, bridal bouquets, pictures of bridal bouquets, pictures of
wedding bouquets, pictures of wedding cakes, wedding cake pictures,
wedding shoes, bridal shoes, pictures of bridal shoes, bridal hair,
wedding hairstyles, bridal hair styles, bridal hairstyles, makeovers,
designer wedding shoes, designer wedding cake, gothic wedding dresses,
wedding dress patterns, indian wedding dress, maternity wedding
dresses, wedding dress hire, medieval wedding dresses, celtic wedding
dresses, second hand wedding dresses, sexy wedding dress, asian
wedding dress, wedding dress designers, winter wedding dresses,
wedding dress designs, wedding dress shops, corset wedding dress,
unusual wedding dresses, berketex wedding dress, bhs wedding dress,
alternative wedding dresses, chinese wedding dresses, vintage wedding
dresses, winter wedding dress, wedding dresses uk, second hand wedding
dresses, wedding dresses london, celtic wedding dresses. indian
wedding dresses, medieval, royal, winter, gothic, used, online,
vintage, alfred angelo, maternity, unusual unique, discount, hire,
alternative wedding dresses, white rose, informal wedding dresses,
pakistani, petite, couture, kensington palace, victorian, once worn,
chinese, wedding head dresses, italian, , pink, white wedding dresses,
coloured wedding dresses, wedding photographer, wedding photographer
uk, wedding photographer london, wedding photographer worcestershire,
cornwall wedding photographer, professional wedding photographer,
wedding photographer dorset, informal wedding photographer dorset,
informal wedding photographer bournemouth, brighton, reportage wedding
photographer, wedding photographer berkshire, wedding photographer
kent, wedding photographer in london, devon wedding photographer,
wedding photographer hertfordshire, yorkshire, west yorkshire,
birmingham, north west, surrey, bristol, contemporary wedding
photographer, photography, wiltshire, cheshire, wedding photographer
cheshire, gloucestershire, wales, cardiff, cumbria, hampshire, sussex,
derbyshire, midlands, cambridge, wolverhampton, shropshire, leeds,
hampshire, sheffield, swansea, warwickshire, designer wedding dress,
red wedding dress, wedding dress hire, wedding dress pattern, gothic
wedding dress, medieval wedding dress, unusual wedding dresses

©Studio Images UK wedding photographers 2004. Listed real life wedding
links compiled by Studio Images and Hip Weddings UK. All rights
reserved. words: wedding venues uk, wedding photographers cheltenham,
hampshire, wedding venues london, wedding venues scotland, wedding
venues surrey, essex, uk wedding venues, hampshire, sussex, south
east, cheshire, berkshire, co uk, England, devon, wales, cornwall,
north east, west yorkshire, south yorkshire, east yorkshire, west
midlands, birmingham, manchester, warwickshire, dorset, small wedding
venues, reception venues, suffolk, west sussex, east sussex, kent,
south wales, cardiff, sheffield, edinburgh, lake district, cumbria,
lancashire, reception venues surrey, north london, oxford,
oxfordshire, cambridge, cambridgeshire, bucks, hertfordshire, herts,
distinctive wedding venues, historic mansions, romantic hotels,
central london, lincolnshire, brighton, york, wedding venues in york,
gloucestershire, staffordshire, shropshire, leeds, north west england,
country wedding venues, le manoir aux quat saisons, silchester,
eastnor castle, elvetham, wedding locations, tithe barn, somerset,
wiltshire, hampshire, brockett hall, slaugham, hotels, layer marney,
national trust, northamptonshire, northants, ramster, stanhill court,
wedding venues, unusual wedding venues, wedding venues essex, wedding
venues hertfordshire, hampshire wedding venues, london wedding venues,
wedding reception venues, wedding venues yorkshire, kent wedding
venues, wedding venues yorkshire, leeds, uk wedding venues, wedding
venues sussex, wedding venues hertfordshire, unique wedding venues,
wedding venues" is at

>
>Merry Christmas.
>

[C.W.]

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:51:39 GMT, from_you@nomail.com (C.W.) wrote:

>On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:35:24 GMT, Unspam <unspam@mail.com> wrote:
>
>>I have noticed a lot of dodgy goings on amongst our competitors,

*looks at layout/design*

I would put this site at the bottom of the list, if seeking a wedding
photographer, because of the site alone. Nice images of brides .. then
the site goes downhill as it claims to be about wedding photographers
but 98% of the page is about anything BUT photography. Very confusing
page on what it is about ... shoes? gowns? viels? cakes? ... and this
is without their own navigation being added into the pot.

"Wedding Hair" ... I don't know, sounds scary. ;)

Carol

[Neal]

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:35:24 GMT, Unspam <unspam@mail.com> wrote:

> <http://www.studioimages.co.uk/index333.html>

2 minutes, and I've only downloaded 25% of the document...

[Big Bill]

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:51:39 GMT, from_you@nomail.com (C.W.) wrote:

>On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:35:24 GMT, Unspam <unspam@mail.com> wrote:
>
>>I have noticed a lot of dodgy goings on amongst our competitors, namely
>>hiding text with huge amounts of keywords (text and background same colour).
>>We also have a lot of relevant words but they are not hidden. I think this
>>may be frowned upon by the search engines so I am thinking about turning my
>>back on "our thing" and going into the witness protection program and
>>ratting on my goodfellas, but I suspect they will not be penalised and will
>>still sit at the top of the results. Who says crime doesn't pay. Take a look
>>and see if you can find the hidden text.
>>
>><http://www.studioimages.co.uk/index333.html>
>
>Good lord, could you make that page *long* enough?
>
>And I am not talking about the 4 to 5 inches gap at the bottom of it
>.. You know, where the badly hardly-hidden pointless
>text of " wedding photographers london wedding photographers essex
>wedding photographers kent wedding photographers surrey berkshire
>buckinghamshire wedding photography london wedding photography bristol
>wedding photography yorkshire west midlands
>Related keywords: Pictures of wedding dresses, wedding dress pictures,
>pictures of wedding gowns, wedding gown pictures, bridal gowns, bridal
>dresses, pictures of bridal dresses, wedding tiaras, winter wedding
>dresses, informal wedding dresses, vera wang wedding dresses,
>bridesmaids dresses, bridesmaid dresses, flower girl dresses,
>bridesmaid shoes, bridesmaids shoes, mother of the bride dresses,
>headdresses, bridal bouquets, pictures of bridal bouquets, pictures of
>wedding bouquets, pictures of wedding cakes, wedding cake pictures,
>wedding shoes, bridal shoes, pictures of bridal shoes, bridal hair,
>wedding hairstyles, bridal hair styles, bridal hairstyles, makeovers,
>designer wedding shoes, designer wedding cake, gothic wedding dresses,
>wedding dress patterns, indian wedding dress, maternity wedding
>dresses, wedding dress hire, medieval wedding dresses, celtic wedding
>dresses, second hand wedding dresses, sexy wedding dress, asian
>wedding dress, wedding dress designers, winter wedding dresses,
>wedding dress designs, wedding dress shops, corset wedding dress,
>unusual wedding dresses, berketex wedding dress, bhs wedding dress,
>alternative wedding dresses, chinese wedding dresses, vintage wedding
>dresses, winter wedding dress, wedding dresses uk, second hand wedding
>dresses, wedding dresses london, celtic wedding dresses. indian
>wedding dresses, medieval, royal, winter, gothic, used, online,
>vintage, alfred angelo, maternity, unusual unique, discount, hire,
>alternative wedding dresses, white rose, informal wedding dresses,
>pakistani, petite, couture, kensington palace, victorian, once worn,
>chinese, wedding head dresses, italian, , pink, white wedding dresses,
>coloured wedding dresses, wedding photographer, wedding photographer
>uk, wedding photographer london, wedding photographer worcestershire,
>cornwall wedding photographer, professional wedding photographer,
>wedding photographer dorset, informal wedding photographer dorset,
>informal wedding photographer bournemouth, brighton, reportage wedding
>photographer, wedding photographer berkshire, wedding photographer
>kent, wedding photographer in london, devon wedding photographer,
>wedding photographer hertfordshire, yorkshire, west yorkshire,
>birmingham, north west, surrey, bristol, contemporary wedding
>photographer, photography, wiltshire, cheshire, wedding photographer
>cheshire, gloucestershire, wales, cardiff, cumbria, hampshire, sussex,
>derbyshire, midlands, cambridge, wolverhampton, shropshire, leeds,
>hampshire, sheffield, swansea, warwickshire, designer wedding dress,
>red wedding dress, wedding dress hire, wedding dress pattern, gothic
>wedding dress, medieval wedding dress, unusual wedding dresses
>
>©Studio Images UK wedding photographers 2004. Listed real life wedding
>links compiled by Studio Images and Hip Weddings UK. All rights
>reserved. words: wedding venues uk, wedding photographers cheltenham,
>hampshire, wedding venues london, wedding venues scotland, wedding
>venues surrey, essex, uk wedding venues, hampshire, sussex, south
>east, cheshire, berkshire, co uk, England, devon, wales, cornwall,
>north east, west yorkshire, south yorkshire, east yorkshire, west
>midlands, birmingham, manchester, warwickshire, dorset, small wedding
>venues, reception venues, suffolk, west sussex, east sussex, kent,
>south wales, cardiff, sheffield, edinburgh, lake district, cumbria,
>lancashire, reception venues surrey, north london, oxford,
>oxfordshire, cambridge, cambridgeshire, bucks, hertfordshire, herts,
>distinctive wedding venues, historic mansions, romantic hotels,
>central london, lincolnshire, brighton, york, wedding venues in york,
>gloucestershire, staffordshire, shropshire, leeds, north west england,
>country wedding venues, le manoir aux quat saisons, silchester,
>eastnor castle, elvetham, wedding locations, tithe barn, somerset,
>wiltshire, hampshire, brockett hall, slaugham, hotels, layer marney,
>national trust, northamptonshire, northants, ramster, stanhill court,
>wedding venues, unusual wedding venues, wedding venues essex, wedding
>venues hertfordshire, hampshire wedding venues, london wedding venues,
>wedding reception venues, wedding venues yorkshire, kent wedding
>venues, wedding venues yorkshire, leeds, uk wedding venues, wedding
>venues sussex, wedding venues hertfordshire, unique wedding venues,
>wedding venues" is at

What do you suppose it is that they do?

BB
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[C.W.]

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:27:01 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
wrote:


>What do you suppose it is that they do?

Outside of looking up towns nearby, according the Rand McNally, and
seeing how many wedding phrases they ... I think they claim knowing
how to aim a camera and take a piccie.

Gosh knows they can't claim to do site design.

Carol
* whom, when searching for "wedding cake" or "wedding hair" is
*actually* searching for a photographer. Yeah. Right.

[C.W.]

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:00:03 GMT, from_you@nomail.com (C.W.) wrote:

>On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:27:01 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>
>>What do you suppose it is that they do?
>

Corrections to my follow-up response as follows:

>Outside of looking up towns nearby, according
[Edit: to]
>the Rand McNally, and
>seeing how many wedding phrases they
[Edit: can invent]
> ... I think they claim knowing
>how to aim a camera and take a piccie.
>
>Gosh knows they can't claim to do site design.

And gosh knows I can't type very well right now either. ;) *looks at
egg nog sample* I think I'll tell the hubby to add more nog.

Carol

[Big Bill]

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:29:40 GMT, from_you@nomail.com (C.W.) wrote:

>On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:00:03 GMT, from_you@nomail.com (C.W.) wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:27:01 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>What do you suppose it is that they do?
>>
>
>Corrections to my follow-up response as follows:
>
>>Outside of looking up towns nearby, according
>[Edit: to]
>>the Rand McNally, and
>>seeing how many wedding phrases they
>[Edit: can invent]
>> ... I think they claim knowing
>>how to aim a camera and take a piccie.
>>
>>Gosh knows they can't claim to do site design.
>
>And gosh knows I can't type very well right now either. ;) *looks at
>egg nog sample* I think I'll tell the hubby to add more nog.
>
>Carol

Spare a thought for those of us on the wagon....add more egg......

BB
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www.kruse.co.uk SEO@kruse.demon.co.uk
home of SEO that's shiny!
--

[C.W.]

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:38:40 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
wrote:

[snip]
>
>Spare a thought for those of us on the wagon....add more egg......

How's about I just brew me my traditional pot of coffee and skip more
egg or nog both?

By the way, Bill, Happy "Santa Day"!

Carol
--
One hasn't lived until they've seen Barney [on PBS] celebrate the
holidays ...

[Big Bill]

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:20:44 GMT, from_you@nomail.com (C.W.) wrote:

>On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:38:40 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>[snip]
>>
>>Spare a thought for those of us on the wagon....add more egg......
>
>How's about I just brew me my traditional pot of coffee and skip more
>egg or nog both?
>
>By the way, Bill, Happy "Santa Day"!
>
>Carol

We aren't there yet..same to you though.

BB
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--

[Colin Wilson]

In fact it is far more productive of hits to devote a seperate page to each
item of interest on your site.

If "wedding hair", whatever the hell that is, is related to your site then
do a whole page on it. History of, designs of, colors of, etc etc.

The same for "wedding shoes". "bridal shoes" and every other thing in that
list.

Sometime you could combine related ideas. Example:

"The wedding shoes the bridal party wear etc etc"

Just create interesting, humanly readable pages on what ever your product
is. Just get your key words into a readable script.

The odd thing is, that your site will then be found by searchers using key
phrases that you never even thought anybody would use!

Remember you don't have to worry about tearing down the rainforests so give
your potential customers far more info on your products than would ever be
practical on a printed page.

As a success of this method my own site had, in November, just over 400
entry pages. Visitors used over 2900 search strings.
"Big Bill" <kruse@cityscape.co.uk> wrote in message
news:85uos013vvaqdsm4ine8cdgjpj30jm0ija@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:29:40 GMT, from_you@nomail.com (C.W.) wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:00:03 GMT, from_you@nomail.com (C.W.) wrote:
> >
> >>On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:27:01 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>What do you suppose it is that they do?
> >>
> >
> >Corrections to my follow-up response as follows:
> >
> >>Outside of looking up towns nearby, according
> >[Edit: to]
> >>the Rand McNally, and
> >>seeing how many wedding phrases they
> >[Edit: can invent]
> >> ... I think they claim knowing
> >>how to aim a camera and take a piccie.
> >>
> >>Gosh knows they can't claim to do site design.
> >
> >And gosh knows I can't type very well right now either. ;) *looks at
> >egg nog sample* I think I'll tell the hubby to add more nog.
> >
> >Carol
>
> Spare a thought for those of us on the wagon....add more egg......
>
> BB
> --
> www.kruse.co.uk SEO@kruse.demon.co.uk
> home of SEO that's shiny!
> --

[C.W.]

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:16:01 +1300, "Colin Wilson"
<siegrunen@hotmail.com> wrote:

>In fact it is far more productive of hits to devote a seperate page to each
>item of interest on your site.

Just to clarify; this site isnt' Bill's but one that someone else
dropped a link to in this group ...

But I agree; the content on that one page could easily create several
pages of content. Definitely more than just one page.

>If "wedding hair", whatever the hell that is, is related to your site then
>do a whole page on it. History of, designs of, colors of, etc etc.

A weddign photographer, if _that_ is the main crux of this site, isn't
going to go that extreme or amount of detail. But they could do more
than create a useless table saying "hey, here's some places brides we
photographed in the past shopped at ..." Like who cares if I am
seeking a photographer for _my_ *upcoming* wedding ...

>The same for "wedding shoes". "bridal shoes" and every other thing in that
>list.
>
>Sometime you could combine related ideas. Example:
>
>"The wedding shoes the bridal party wear etc etc"

I think that is what this site tried to do: combine "related" ideas
... but sadly their "ideas" multiplied worse than rabbits are rumored
to multiply.

The <title> and META keywords were inspired by the ditty "This is the
song that does not end .. yes, it goes ON and ON, my friend ..."

The page shares 4 or 5 partial images of brides [ that's if counting
the partial pic of shoes] .. one paragraph harps on about how they do
"reportage" wedidng photography. Then it lists links that I, a casual
surfer, cannot use ...

Wedding photographry studio in the London UK area keywords is drowning
in the towns surrounding it, wedding gowns, wedding shoes, wedding
hair, and even make-up mentionings in the title, keywords, text, AND
hidden text.

>Just create interesting, humanly readable pages on what ever your product
>is. Just get your key words into a readable script.
>
>The odd thing is, that your site will then be found by searchers using key
>phrases that you never even thought anybody would use!

I really don't know if this one site overlooked even oddball phrases.
But they are clearly hoping to try to have this one 1 page found for,
apparently, 400 search terms/phrases.

Comically they apparently snooped around for SE tips so use the hidden
text method [after all, the text isn't there for the readers] but
merrily skip past all the other advice about title, META [if going to
use them], and lots of others things.

So they are looking for miracles or hacks to try to get hits ... and
they don't care if it is for a couple looking for a wedding
photographer or a bride, who may already have a wedding photographer
selected but wanting a watch or a pair of shoes.

SEs set aside - the page is still one confusing one that hops all over
the place in what the text shares. If looking at web sites to look for
a wedding photographer ... I wouldn't be interested in hiring this
photgraphy studio for one of my daughters weddings.

Just looks junky and lacking of attention span on their side - and so
I can only assume their pictures are just as random. If I wanted that,
I would buy those throwaway cameras as "table favors" and just use the
guest's pics for creating a wedding album.

Carol
__

* who is knee-deep today in Legos.

[C.W.]

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:43:53 -0500, Neal <neal413@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:35:24 GMT, Unspam <unspam@mail.com> wrote:
>
>> <http://www.studioimages.co.uk/index333.html>
>
>2 minutes, and I've only downloaded 25% of the document...

*snicker* Kinda sad isn't it - especially when considering the images
are very low in number.

Carol

[Big Bill]

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 16:27:52 GMT, from_you@nomail.com (C.W.) wrote:

>On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:16:01 +1300, "Colin Wilson"
><siegrunen@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>In fact it is far more productive of hits to devote a seperate page to each
>>item of interest on your site.
>
>Just to clarify; this site isnt' Bill's but one that someone else
>dropped a link to in this group ...
>
>But I agree; the content on that one page could easily create several
>pages of content. Definitely more than just one page.
>
>>If "wedding hair", whatever the hell that is, is related to your site then
>>do a whole page on it. History of, designs of, colors of, etc etc.
>
>A weddign photographer, if _that_ is the main crux of this site, isn't
>going to go that extreme or amount of detail. But they could do more
>than create a useless table saying "hey, here's some places brides we
>photographed in the past shopped at ..." Like who cares if I am
>seeking a photographer for _my_ *upcoming* wedding ...

One imagines that this is a poorly designed affiliate site.

BB


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[C.W.]

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:32:51 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
wrote:

>On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 16:27:52 GMT, from_you@nomail.com (C.W.) wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:16:01 +1300, "Colin Wilson"
>><siegrunen@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>In fact it is far more productive of hits to devote a seperate page to each
>>>item of interest on your site.
>>
>>Just to clarify; this site isnt' Bill's but one that someone else
>>dropped a link to in this group ...
>>
>>But I agree; the content on that one page could easily create several
>>pages of content. Definitely more than just one page.
>>
>>>If "wedding hair", whatever the hell that is, is related to your site then
>>>do a whole page on it. History of, designs of, colors of, etc etc.
>>
>>A weddign photographer, if _that_ is the main crux of this site, isn't
>>going to go that extreme or amount of detail. But they could do more
>>than create a useless table saying "hey, here's some places brides we
>>photographed in the past shopped at ..." Like who cares if I am
>>seeking a photographer for _my_ *upcoming* wedding ...
>
>One imagines that this is a poorly designed affiliate site.

Is that stuff in that table linked content? I didnt' think it was but
could be wrong ...

I liked the top [once it finally loaded in, that is] with the 4
partial pics were shared - although I would ditch the shoe close-up
for a different pic instead. But after that row of pics, and before
you get to the menu, the "let's figure out what to put on this page"
went out the window on their side of the deal.

Someone oughta go by their shop and take away their copy of
DreamWeaver and point out Google's recommendation about length of
<title> and have them condense that META keywords tag about 5 hairs
... then make them sit down and plot out the page on paper. Once they
get it to a reasonable length [on paper] then they can have their
proggie back to fix the poor little thing.

Carol