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AF
12-26-2004, 04:18 PM
Does Google read these groups? I hope so because I have a complaint
about the results I am getting from using Google's search engine. And
since I am also a webmaster for a couple of little sites, it concerns
me that I can not compete against some bigger, and better funded
sites.

Here is the complaint, or more specifically here are multiple examples
of results I got from searching on the term:

"Great Western Business Services" tampa

(By the way this is literally what I typed including the quotes, and
this not in any way an attempt to promote Great Western Business
Services. I have no connection with them at all.)

When I searched on this, Google returned

1. Amfibi Directori : Business : Opportunities : Brokerages
.... [Nova Finestra] Resource for sellers and buyers in the Tampa Bay
area. ... Great Western
Business Services, Inc - [Nova Finestra] Businesses for sale by owner.
....
ct.dir.amfibi.com:8080/dirct?p=900849

comment: This is a foreign web site that simply regurgitates info it
must have mined from other sites. What a pain; I don't need Google to
return pages and pages of sites that are simply copies of other sites.
I don't know how they could prevent this, but somehow I am doing too
many searches that return too many listings of the exact same info.


2. Lyrics Heaven -The Best Free Lyrics. Download Music Lyrics Today.
....
.... Resource for sellers and buyers in the Tampa Bay area ...
http://www.globalbusinessexchange.
com/; Great Western Business Services, Inc - Businesses for sale by
owner ...
www.lyrics-heaven.com/dir/ Business/Opportunities/Brokerages/ - 37k -
Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages

comment. Notice that much of the info on this listing is the same as
number 1. What is particularly aggravating about this one is the site
is for musical lyrics and has nothing to do with business. Nothing
shows on the page that even indicates the page has anything to do with
businesses.


3. advertising and more advertising consultant radio sales
.... Locations. Business Consultant/Sales Executive : Great Western
Business Services ... ...
Business Consultant/Sales Executive : Great Western Business Services
.... ...
internet-advertising.workingonline.com/
advertising/advertising-consultant-radio-sales.htm

comment. similar to number 2 above. The returned page has nothing to
do with my search.


3. allentown professional jobs by job title, location and industry
.... Great Western Business Services, Business Consultant/Sales
Executive, Statewide,
NationWide, View Job. ... Mortgage Operations Manager Tampa, FL,
Machinist Portland, ...
allentown.pickajob.com/SimpleSearch.
asp?newsearch=allentown+professional

comment. At least this page does have something to do with jobs and
businesses, but there is no information on the page about my
particular search. How did this page get into Google as having
anything to do with my search criteria? (By the way, I know
technically how this is happening. Many of the results I get have my
search terms buried in the html code but are not displayed.)


What is going on? As a search engine user or consumer, I find that
more and more Google's results are meaningless or repetitive.
Programmers have obviously figured out how to get themselves listed
even if their pages are not relevant to the search.

As a webmaster, this really bothers me since I see my few smaller
sites that I tried to keep relevant being pushed farther and farther
page down the listings with Google by sites that have little to no
relevance to a search.

I hope Google is paying attention to this because their usefulness to
the user will diminish as people get tired of wading through 9
irrelevant listings to find one decent one.

Other comments?

AF
AF
http://www.dunderbakstampa.com

MM
12-26-2004, 04:18 PM
AF wrote:
> Does Google read these groups? I hope so because I have a complaint
> about the results I am getting from using Google's search engine. And
> since I am also a webmaster for a couple of little sites, it concerns
> me that I can not compete against some bigger, and better funded
> sites.
>
> Here is the complaint, or more specifically here are multiple examples
> of results I got from searching on the term:
>
> "Great Western Business Services" tampa
>
> (By the way this is literally what I typed including the quotes, and
> this not in any way an attempt to promote Great Western Business
> Services. I have no connection with them at all.)
>
> When I searched on this, Google returned
>
> 1. Amfibi Directori : Business : Opportunities : Brokerages
> ... [Nova Finestra] Resource for sellers and buyers in the Tampa Bay
> area. ... Great Western
> Business Services, Inc - [Nova Finestra] Businesses for sale by owner.
> ...
> ct.dir.amfibi.com:8080/dirct?p=900849
>
> comment: This is a foreign web site that simply regurgitates info it
> must have mined from other sites. What a pain; I don't need Google to
> return pages and pages of sites that are simply copies of other sites.
> I don't know how they could prevent this, but somehow I am doing too
> many searches that return too many listings of the exact same info.
>
>
> 2. Lyrics Heaven -The Best Free Lyrics. Download Music Lyrics Today.
> ...
> ... Resource for sellers and buyers in the Tampa Bay area ...
> http://www.globalbusinessexchange.
> com/; Great Western Business Services, Inc - Businesses for sale by
> owner ...
> www.lyrics-heaven.com/dir/ Business/Opportunities/Brokerages/ - 37k -
> Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages
>
> comment. Notice that much of the info on this listing is the same as
> number 1. What is particularly aggravating about this one is the site
> is for musical lyrics and has nothing to do with business. Nothing
> shows on the page that even indicates the page has anything to do with
> businesses.
>
>
> 3. advertising and more advertising consultant radio sales
> ... Locations. Business Consultant/Sales Executive : Great Western
> Business Services ... ...
> Business Consultant/Sales Executive : Great Western Business Services
> ... ...
> internet-advertising.workingonline.com/
> advertising/advertising-consultant-radio-sales.htm
>
> comment. similar to number 2 above. The returned page has nothing to
> do with my search.
>
>
> 3. allentown professional jobs by job title, location and industry
> ... Great Western Business Services, Business Consultant/Sales
> Executive, Statewide,
> NationWide, View Job. ... Mortgage Operations Manager Tampa, FL,
> Machinist Portland, ...
> allentown.pickajob.com/SimpleSearch.
> asp?newsearch=allentown+professional
>
> comment. At least this page does have something to do with jobs and
> businesses, but there is no information on the page about my
> particular search. How did this page get into Google as having
> anything to do with my search criteria? (By the way, I know
> technically how this is happening. Many of the results I get have my
> search terms buried in the html code but are not displayed.)
>
>
> What is going on? As a search engine user or consumer, I find that
> more and more Google's results are meaningless or repetitive.
> Programmers have obviously figured out how to get themselves listed
> even if their pages are not relevant to the search.
>
> As a webmaster, this really bothers me since I see my few smaller
> sites that I tried to keep relevant being pushed farther and farther
> page down the listings with Google by sites that have little to no
> relevance to a search.
>
> I hope Google is paying attention to this because their usefulness to
> the user will diminish as people get tired of wading through 9
> irrelevant listings to find one decent one.
>
> Other comments?
>
> AF
> AF
> http://www.dunderbakstampa.com

I don't know what happened in your search, but doing the same search as
you did, I got much different results:

first:
http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/Company-Profiles/G/Great-Western-Business-Services-LLC-jobs_43537

second:
hotjobs.yahoo.com/Company-Profiles/
G/Great-Western-Business-Services-LLC-Jobs_43537

third:
jobs.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Companies/
CompanyJobResults.aspx?Comp_DID=C32636TN0P8M4KPCM0

and so on.

These seem reasonable for a search such as:
"Great Western Business Services" tampa

>And
> since I am also a webmaster for a couple of little sites, it concerns
> me that I can not compete against some bigger, and better funded
> sites.

You can compete effectively against bigger and better funded sites. You
just need to learn how.

MM

Big Bill
12-26-2004, 04:18 PM
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:36:04 GMT, MM <norealaddress@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>>
>> I hope Google is paying attention to this because their usefulness to
>> the user will diminish as people get tired of wading through 9
>> irrelevant listings to find one decent one.

You should lose the general obsession with Google, not least for the
reason you point out above. If Google has 40 odd percent of the search
market, that means there's sixty percent of it still out there. Go get
it.

BB
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Harlan Messinger
12-26-2004, 04:18 PM
"AF" <bscinc3000@Yahoo_NoSpam.com> wrote in message
news:mnuds0h2isq8vbmjm5qe0i7gafcr9fvsh0@4ax.com...
> Does Google read these groups? I hope so because I have a complaint
> about the results I am getting from using Google's search engine. And
> since I am also a webmaster for a couple of little sites, it concerns
> me that I can not compete against some bigger, and better funded
> sites.
>
> Here is the complaint, or more specifically here are multiple examples
> of results I got from searching on the term:
>
> "Great Western Business Services" tampa
>
> (By the way this is literally what I typed including the quotes, and
> this not in any way an attempt to promote Great Western Business
> Services. I have no connection with them at all.)
>
> When I searched on this, Google returned

The first two hits *I* got were for pages where Great Western Business
Services was in the page's title, which is entirely appropriate.

>
> 1. Amfibi Directori : Business : Opportunities : Brokerages
> ... [Nova Finestra] Resource for sellers and buyers in the Tampa Bay
> area. ... Great Western
> Business Services, Inc - [Nova Finestra] Businesses for sale by owner.
> ...
> ct.dir.amfibi.com:8080/dirct?p=900849
>
> comment: This is a foreign web site that simply regurgitates info it
> must have mined from other sites. What a pain; I don't need Google to
> return pages and pages of sites that are simply copies of other sites.
> I don't know how they could prevent this, but somehow I am doing too
> many searches that return too many listings of the exact same info.
>
>
[snip]
>
> 3. allentown professional jobs by job title, location and industry
> ... Great Western Business Services, Business Consultant/Sales
> Executive, Statewide,
> NationWide, View Job. ... Mortgage Operations Manager Tampa, FL,
> Machinist Portland, ...
> allentown.pickajob.com/SimpleSearch.
> asp?newsearch=allentown+professional
>
> comment. At least this page does have something to do with jobs and
> businesses, but there is no information on the page about my
> particular search.

Click the "cached" link after each Google listing to see what the page
looked like when Google last indexed it.

Pete
12-26-2004, 04:18 PM
"AF" <bscinc3000@Yahoo_NoSpam.com> wrote in message
news:mnuds0h2isq8vbmjm5qe0i7gafcr9fvsh0@4ax.com...
>
> What is going on? As a search engine user or consumer, I find that
> more and more Google's results are meaningless or repetitive.
> Programmers have obviously figured out how to get themselves listed
> even if their pages are not relevant to the search.


its possible you may have spyware on your computer which is hijacking google
results pages.

regardless, i tend to agree that some programmers have figured out google
and are getting irrelevant results to the top. in the long run, i think (or
rather hope), that google will counter this by becoming cleverer, so
ultimately we will have a better and more robust search engine which cannot
be hyjacked. it is a sign of things to come when the turing test is turned
completely on its head, and it is now the task of a human to see if it can
fool a computer program.


Pete